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knut 发表于 2011-3-11 13:40

Vivien和朋友们以及合作过的演员们之间发生的小故事

我是半新不旧的新人一个,来了很久只是看帖,这还是头一次发帖,希望大家多多指教!!
如果论坛里已经有人发过了,就请斑竹删了吧

英文的,大家凑合看

[img]http://www.olivivien.com/images/vivien/viv-odh.jpg[/img]

1、先来奥利维亚·德·哈维兰对Vivien的评价吧

“I remember her coming forward to greet me [for the first time] and to shake hands with me, with her special air of cool, contained, and delicately assured good manners. In thinking now of that moment the recollection of her evokes all sorts of images: quicksilver; elegance and composure, like a small Siamese cat; and the tinkling charm of a Chinese wind lantern. In her work on Gone with the Wind she was perfectly prepared, precise, adept; she never lost her poise, despite the immense strain that she was under. She had self-discipline which was not harsh, but of an exquisite order. Indeed, I think ‘exquisite’ is the word for her, in every sense and in every way. She had humour, and wit also, in all their difference shades: satirical, ironic, at times subtle, at times ribald.”

这句话为我们展示了一个不一样的Vivien,“satirical, ironic, at times subtle, at times ribald”是不是很生活化,这也是Vivien的另一面

knut 发表于 2011-3-11 13:43

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2、再来就是那段很有名的“所有的花都应该好好施肥”from Dirk Bogarde

“When Vivien had left Notley she once came down to my house and felt utterly sad because she no longer had a garden . . . she adored mine, which was rather marvelous. Suddenly she said: ‘I want a little house . . . with a view like this, but by water … on a lake or stream… and with trees…’ and I had seen the exact house three or four days before. I told her, and she was off in a flash and found it to be the very place of her idea… that’s how she got Tickerage Mill. I had wanted it myself very much, but it was a bit too far from town, I thought, and too small for me. Viv was instantly at home there. Shortly afterwards I left Hascombe and moved down into Sussex where we were virtually neighbours. She was always taking cuttings and bits and pieces, and on one occasion brought me a couple rose bushes… it was a cold day in early March: She said, ‘If you put them in now you’ll just make it; this one is called after me… rather pretty… and very sweet of them… and this one,’ indicating a little bunch of thorns in a plastic bag, ‘this one is new… I ordered it specially for you, it’s called Super Star.’ And I said, rather lightly, ‘Then they are both called after you… how lovely.’ Viv was quite still for a moment, and then her eyes rimmed with tears and she hugged me like a little bear. And we just stood there in the cold garden among the silent roses until she had composed herself. We didn’t say anything more. A little later she said the plants all needed a good mulching… and we went into tea.”

网上流行最广的译文版本是这样的,不是直译,但故事是同一个:
在她去世的前一天,她曾给朋友送去两棵玫瑰,她说:“如果你现在种,它们很快就会生根。种花人把第一棵叫做费雯丽;另一棵是你,叫做超级明星。”朋友说:“这就是说,两棵玫瑰都是你。”费雯丽的眼睛一下湿润了,过了很久她才说:“所有的花都应该好好施肥……”

the plants all needed a good mulching…
很多人说这是她的遗言,但是,实际上Vivien死的时候,身边并没有人……遗言似乎也就算不上了

knut 发表于 2011-3-11 13:50

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3、《乱世佳人》导演之一乔治·库克对Vivien的评价

“Vivien was a really wonderful screen actress. Quite apart from her looks she had something very strong and individual and interesting. I also saw her act very well on the stage. She was brilliant as Shaw’s Cleopatra, and she made a damn good stab at Lady Macbeth.”

有一些人质疑Vivien在舞台上的表演能力,认为她拖累了、限制了奥利弗爵士(据说为了不让Vivien的演技在奥利弗爵士面前太苍白,奥利弗爵士不得不降低自己的表演水平)库克在此为Vivien正名了,实际上,假如没有奥利弗爵士的话,活跃在银屏上的费雯丽会有一个完全不一样的人生

knut 发表于 2011-3-11 13:55

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4、马龙·白兰度在自传中对Vivien的回忆

In his autobiography, he said that he was physically attracted to Vivien Leigh during the making of A Streetcar Named Desire (1951). He could not bring himself to seduce her, however, as he found her husband, Laurence Olivier, to be such a "nice guy."

  这个是马龙·白兰度在自传中对Vivien及奥利弗爵士的评价,起初白兰度和费雯丽并不是“看对方很顺眼”,一个觉得对方不礼貌,一个觉得对方太一本正经,但是不久以后两人就建立起了很好的关系……结合德哈维兰对费雯丽的评价 at times ribald,我觉得这就是两个人熟络起来的一个因素

knut 发表于 2011-3-11 14:00

[i=s] 本帖最后由 knut 于 2011-3-11 14:05 编辑 [/i]

《欲望号街车》也是我很喜欢的费雯丽作品,布兰奇也是我认为费雯丽演绎得最好的角色,我知道这时候她已经游走在精分边缘了,那场布兰奇身着华服,在自己想象中的世界中沉醉的场景,其实我不知道到底是费雯丽,还是布兰奇,但是,无论是哪个,都让人不忍移目

好像有点太花痴了……

knut 发表于 2011-3-11 14:08

为什么网页这么慢啊

[img]http://www.olivivien.com/images/vivien/viv-lf.jpg[/img]

5、Lynn Fontanne眼中的Vivien

“When we made friends and found her to be a darling, just as charming to women as to men, as a true siren is. She was a perfect housewife and mother and we saw a lot of [the Oliviers] during the war years in England; they were our joy and comfort. She was very practical.”

她是谁,我真的不太清楚,但是有一个词深深吸引了我——siren

怎样的女人才能让女人发出siren的感叹呢,女人眼里的siren,我想会比男人眼中的siren有魅力得多

knut 发表于 2011-3-11 14:10

[img]http://www.olivivien.com/images/vivien/viv-kh.jpg[/img]

6、凯瑟琳·赫本提到Vivien

Vivien Leigh was certainly a beauty and a charmer– and fun to know

据说Vivien在美国接受痛苦的电疗,都是在凯瑟琳赫本的陪同下完成的

knut 发表于 2011-3-11 14:15

[img]http://www.olivivien.com/images/vivien/viv-pw.jpg[/img]

7、Peter Wyngarde

“She was a star in the real meaning of the word, in that she spread light on everybody. She gave an incredible endorsement of what stardom was about. She knew how to run a company. She knew everything about everybody’s life. If anyone’s parents or lover was ill there would be flowers. She was kept well-informed—a star in the right way. The Oliviers brought speech to the English stage. Vivien was visual and Larry was oral. She learnt about ‘the word’ from him. She had such intelligence, beauty, and style. She never left the stage door unless impeccably dressed. She was always amusing. And she was honest, totally and utterly honest. She was a woman, and yet always somehow a child.”

knut 发表于 2011-3-11 14:24

8、插播一个小故事

“英国著名影星费雯丽因成功扮演好莱坞影片《飘》中的女主角郝思嘉而一举成名,并获得当年的奥斯卡金像奖。这部电影风光无限地首次去欧洲巡演,当费雯丽的班机降落在伦敦停机坪上时,众多记者在下面围着,其中一个记者冲在了最前面,他对刚刚走出舷梯的费雯丽说:“请问你在这个电影里扮演什么角色?”一句话说得费雯丽转身走进机舱不肯下来”

我记得最后费雯丽还说了一句“我不和如此无知的人交谈”(难道这句话是我凭空臆想出来的??!)

这是学生生涯中听过的最令我心跳不止的课,至今都记得老师说这故事的时候我是多想从凳子上跳起来

knut 发表于 2011-3-12 12:32

没有人诶……

唉,谁叫我们Vivien已经过世很久了,粉丝们应该也都是比较沉静的年纪了

没关系,我自己看

olivivien 发表于 2011-3-12 19:33

非常专业的总结啊!!

等我有空为你配上图!!!

别灰心,这几天又是地震又是海啸的,网速难免会减弱,我们论坛本来就慢,这一折腾没人发言也不奇怪,过几天会好起来了!

olivivien 发表于 2011-3-12 19:58

[quote]6、凯瑟琳·赫本提到Vivien

Vivien Leigh was certainly a beauty and a charmer– and fun to know ...
[size=2][color=#999999]knut 发表于 2011-3-11 14:10[/color] [url=http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9079&ptid=537][img]http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url][/size][/quote]


    补充一下,赫本也是费雯和劳伦斯婚礼上的伴娘。但是我觉得她和费雯其实真的很不熟,曾经把赫本的自传《我》借来看,那么厚一本书提到费雯的就只有那么几处,除了关于《乱世佳人》的郝思嘉,唯一提到费雯的地方就是在介绍她自己家沙发曾被多少名人坐过,比如:BLAH,BLAH一长串中有一个名字是费雯,仅此而已……

夏理 发表于 2011-3-13 11:58

[b]回复 [url=http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9081&ptid=537]9#[/url] [i]knut[/i] [/b]


    我好像也是在课堂上听到的这个故事,貌似主题是 说话的艺术 之类的

knut 发表于 2011-3-13 18:35

[quote]非常专业的总结啊!!

等我有空为你配上图!!!

别灰心,这几天又是地震又是海啸的,网速难免会减弱 ...
[size=2][color=#999999]olivivien 发表于 2011-3-12 19:33[/color] [url=http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9099&ptid=537][img]http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url][/size][/quote]


    嘿嘿,老大过奖了!另外,谢谢帮我配图哦!!本来想插图可是实在太慢了,插不上去

knut 发表于 2011-3-13 18:38

[quote]补充一下,赫本也是费雯和劳伦斯婚礼上的伴娘。但是我觉得她和费雯其实真的很不熟,曾经把赫本的 ...
[size=2][color=#999999]olivivien 发表于 2011-3-12 19:58[/color] [url=http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9100&ptid=537][img]http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url][/size][/quote]


    其实我也不太清楚她俩的关系,看有的资料觉得关系非常铁,比如说做电疗,但是有的时候又觉得很难找到证据支撑这个观点,因为两个人相互提到对方都太少了,她们俩难道是传说中的英雄惜英雄,但是又有不可避免的相互嫉妒?!
随便一说随便一说

knut 发表于 2011-3-13 18:39

[quote]回复  knut


    我好像也是在课堂上听到的这个故事,貌似主题是 说话的艺术 之类的
[size=2][color=#999999]夏理 发表于 2011-3-13 11:58[/color] [url=http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9109&ptid=537][img]http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url][/size][/quote]


    恩,我也是在类似的课堂上听到的,周围的同学都知道我喜欢费雯丽,所以说到这个故事的时候,全部人都在看我,真是囧死了

knut 发表于 2011-3-13 18:41

[img]http://www.olivivien.com/images/vivien/viv-rh.jpg[/img]

9、与费雯丽合作过《茶杯里的风暴》一片的Rex Harrison
  
  他的话,不陌生了,《埃及艳后》里的凯撒,《窈窕淑女》里的亨利·黑根丝
  
  好吧,人家还演过若干年以后发哥也将要饰演的一个角色,跟英国女教师谈恋爱的朱拉隆功他爹。不过Rex Harrison1946年的片名和发哥那版不一样,叫做Anna and the King of Siam,多了一个地名Siam
  
  扯远了,他与Vivien的时光是这样的
  
  ““I loved Vivien. Although we never as much as held hands. I cannot say my love was platonic; it was more exciting than that. After she married Larry we all became great friends, and many happy and hilarious weekends were spent with them at Notley Abbey and at their house in Chelsea.”

knut 发表于 2011-3-13 18:44

[img]http://www.olivivien.com/images/vivien/viv-dfj.jpg[/img]

10、小道格拉斯·范朋克口中的Vivien

这男人蛮有名的,爹也有名,前妻琼·克劳馥也有名,他说的是Vivien早期作品《道德的假面》
  
  “I first saw her in Mask of Virtue—her first West End success, and shared the general enthusiasm for her staggering beauty, engaging personality, unique quality of voice, remarkable talent and for her undeniable possession of what Noel Coward has called “Star quality.” In person she was equally attractive, except, in those days, more shy and less sure of herself or poised.”

 “Star quality.” 真有眼光!有人曾经认定这个女孩不可能成为明星,他应该早就后悔了
 

knut 发表于 2011-3-13 18:52

糟糕,又抽了,怎么会有两个一样的内容

11、Anecdote from David Dodimead

似乎是83年BBC迷你剧《简爱》里的罗切斯特

“One of the most astonishing things about Vivien was her energy, which is probably the secret of her life. Certainly the secret of acting. You can’t act without energy, even if you are acting a dull man, an old dying man. You’ve got to have energy to push that out. And she had energy from the moment she woke up till she went to bed—very late.”

energy!这是个关键词。如果一个人经常处于“精力”十分旺盛的亢奋状态,我的意思是,总是处于比较极端的情绪,中那么这个人应该坚持不了多久就会垮掉,Vivien就是这样用尽力气在生活和表演,所以……走得早,最后还好不出人意料的接近“精分”了

sorry各位雯迷,我也不想这样说的,只是想说出我的推测,很多人喜欢用她的星座天蝎来解释这个,但是,我想周围人的观察会更加可靠

olivivien 发表于 2011-3-13 20:57

[quote]9、与费雯丽合作过《茶杯里的风暴》一片的Rex Harrison
  
  他的话,不陌生了,《埃及艳后》里的 ...
[size=2][color=#999999]knut 发表于 2011-3-13 18:41[/color] [url=http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9121&ptid=537][img]http://www.olivivien.com/bbs/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url][/size][/quote]


    他们还合作过《圣马丁小巷》,但其实费雯跟她老婆交情比较好,两人都是红颜薄命型……

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